Home

Previous Entry | Next Entry

moviemoviemovie

  • May. 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Creepy-chan, OMG, Hanners, zukaang, Strong Bad Smile, KK, Hrmph., Da-yum., CZ rollers, Katara/Katara, SB/HR, The Sungi Brothers, Strong Mad WANT, Bitch plz, Marzipan, Frankie, Cat, Sad, GAH!, Boring., Bubs Frog, lol wut, Showercap, OH LAWDS, Pale TC, Chouno, <3, Post-it, Haru/Katara Bounce, Zhao/Katara Bounce, SS Leotard, SB Rocker, Minstril, Jetarako, SLOWPOKE
I hate movie theatres.

However, there was a film that I really wanted to see. Earlier tonight, I stepped into a cinema for the first time in seven months.

The film that I saw was Ben Stein's documentary, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed."

I liked it, although I did snicker at its major evocation of Godwin's Law.

I guess I could share my opinion on the issue of Evolution vs Intellegent Design, but I really don't feel like it. You guys can share with me your opinions on the matter if you want, but chances are good that I won't care about what you have to say.


....I'm just being honest. :C

Tags:

Comments

[info]dietotaku wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
i remember learning about ID in college, actually. part of me thinks "it's just creationism in disguise, and therefore has no place in schools," and part of me thinks "well, at least it's not completely discounting the LAWS OF SCIENCE," and being a person who believes in god, intelligent design is the most reasonable explanation to me for the way the world is. everything on earth evolved from a lower species, and god designed the rules of evolution.
[info]orepookpook wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
I don't believe in god, but there ain't nothing that disproves intelligent design.

Though maybe human vision (Why wire the back of the brain to do vision when the eyes are in the front of the head?), and knees (engineering disaster) could show that even god makes mistakes?

I mean, if you take what's written in monotheistic scripture about Creation as being super simplified for idjits who didn't even understand bacteria, all that bidness about let there be light and then I made some fishies and then some birdies is just kind of "BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION FOR DUMMIES."

I mean, Science now can't even explain what all the parts of our own brains do; how can they completely naysay the idea of a force beyond human comprehension conceiving of existence and then willing it so? It's the "beyond human comprehension" part they have issues with; to accept ID means to acknowledge that there are things Science cannot observe and that a data table can't explain.
[info]kartoon_kween wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
That is a very reasonable standpoint. I especially agree with your last paragraph.

I guess I might as well state my stance after all. It's not a particularly special or complex stance... I guess I was just really tired when I was composing this journal.

In classrooms, there should be the freedom of inquiry. In order for students to develope well-informed beliefs, every possible theory needs to be hashed. On that note, scientific theory should not be taught as scientific fact.
[info]dietotaku wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
personally, i don't think science has a lot of room to be dissing shit it can't explain when there are particles that behave differently depending on whether or not they're being observed. that's just... wtf.
[info]kartoon_kween wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Let me say that your opinion is perfectly reasonable. Evolutionism does not paint the whole picture, and neither does Intellegent Design. Why not let some of that paint mingle? The end result may be a very beautiful painting. If God exists, who is to say that He wasn't the one who set Evolution into mostion? If God does not exist, who is to say that the first cell was not intellegently designed by some inhuman power?

I am of the personal belief that the only things that don't belong in the classroom are bias and harrasment. I think that a teacher should be able to mention Creationism (or Darwinism, in the case of more conservative schools) without having to worry about losing his/her job. Furthermore, students should be able to ask any question without the fear of being shot down.

Freedom of inquiry. I think that's the most precious form of the Freedom of Speech. If people are going to learn as much as possible, they need to ask all the questions. Political correctness is the greatest enemy of this freedom, because it hinders our thoughts and makes perfectly reasonable questions seem taboo.
[info]dietotaku wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
my main issue with creationism is that it basically thumbs its nosed at established, observable data (to say nothing of laws like the conservation of matter). like ross says in "friends," you can look at the fossil record and see a species evolving over time. i also don't like how it causes otherwise reasonably intelligent friends of mine to insist "i am NOT related to MONKEYS!" sorry, but you are, and a DNA test can prove it. creationists seem to think that evolution implies that THEY PERSONALLY evolved from primates, that they were somehow an ape in the womb, and as they progressed through toddlerhood they became human.

what i wouldn't mind is if ID was presented as "the scientific perspective on the religious belief of creation." it is not scientifically valid to point at creationism - "and lo, god touched his finger to the earth and all kinds of shit popped up fully formed out of nowhere" - as a scientific theory for the origin of life. it's a RELIGIOUS BELIEF. there is no science in it whatsoever, so it has no business in a science classroom. ID, on the other hand, by acknowledging the existence of scientific laws and theories and incorporating the role of the divine into them, can bridge the gap between "hardcore, incomplete scientific theory" and "religious belief."
[info]kartoon_kween wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
I never said that Creationism should be taught in a science class. All I said was that a science teacher should be allowed to mention it without having to be disciplined by the school administrators. I think that people should be allowed to ask questions in the classroom. I kinda think that's what classrooms are for. Raising points... looking at things from a different perspective.... and all that jazz.
[info]dietotaku wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
my only issue with that is the inevitable twatwaffle who says "but the bible says god created everyone and everything out of nothing," leaving the teacher in the position of basically saying the bible is wrong.
[info]kartoon_kween wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC)
Heh. "Twatwaffle."

Anyway, if I were the teacher in that situation, I would just smile and tell the class that everyone is free to believe what they want to believe. Even a Bible-thumper cannot argue that man has free will... in fact, "free will" is an important part of Christian lore. I wouldn't even have the right to say if that kid was right or wrong.

As of now, science can not explain to us how everything began. There is circumstantial evidence that supports certain theories, but there is no definitive proof. Because the teacher does not have the answer, the teacher has no right to say that the Bible is wrong. All the same, the teacher has no right to say that the Bible is correct, either.

If the student continues to be a disruption, he or she can be removed from the classroom.

Profile

Creepy-chan, OMG, Hanners, zukaang, Strong Bad Smile, KK, Hrmph., Da-yum., CZ rollers, Katara/Katara, SB/HR, The Sungi Brothers, Strong Mad WANT, Bitch plz, Marzipan, Frankie, Cat, Sad, GAH!, Boring., Bubs Frog, lol wut, Showercap, OH LAWDS, Pale TC, Chouno, <3, Post-it, Haru/Katara Bounce, Zhao/Katara Bounce, SS Leotard, SB Rocker, Minstril, Jetarako, SLOWPOKE
[info]kartoon_kween
kartoon_kween

Latest Month

May 2008
S M T W T F S
    123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
25262728293031